Windows 10 DWM Issue - LM, Please fix the Anti-Aliasing in v5.2 before release.

[ryanair007]

I'm waiting as well... I hear they're done with V5 and moving on to P3D V6... that's the rumors at least?

I hope it's a significant upgrade and that it can be competitive with MSFS and XP12.

But most importantly we need the graphics fixed. My expensive Desktop PC is just sitting idly by right now... it's disappointing. I've invested a lot into this set up. I wouldn't want to know this is their "final" release ever, that would be heart breaking.

Yea i have a full 737 sim so i am even more disappointed about this graphic problem I wish Lm would communicate a bit more with its costumers so we could help to make thing go smoother . On The Mfs2020 the AA problem has been fixed in Sim update 6 . So it can be fixed in the software directly without wait years for microsoft or windows to fix it

[Martyson]

I'm waiting as well... I hear they're done with V5 and moving on to P3D V6... that's the rumors at least?

I hope it's a significant upgrade and that it can be competitive with MSFS and XP12.

But most importantly we need the graphics fixed. My expensive Desktop PC is just sitting idly by right now... it's disappointing. I've invested a lot into this set up. I wouldn't want to know this is their "final" release ever, that would be heart breaking.

Yea i have a full 737 sim so i am even more disappointed about this graphic problem I wish Lm would communicate a bit more with its costumers so we could help to make thing go smoother . On The Mfs2020 the AA problem has been fixed in Sim update 6 . So it can be fixed in the software directly without wait years for microsoft or windows to fix it

@ ryanair007 ,

You mentioned:
"Yea i have a full 737 sim"

What is the full setup (PCs, hardware, software)?

I looked back through the this topic and Beau Hollis (LM Staff) did reply.

Can you do a video of what you are seeing with default P3D airport / aircraft?

[ryanair007]

I'm waiting as well... I hear they're done with V5 and moving on to P3D V6... that's the rumors at least?

I hope it's a significant upgrade and that it can be competitive with MSFS and XP12.

But most importantly we need the graphics fixed. My expensive Desktop PC is just sitting idly by right now... it's disappointing. I've invested a lot into this set up. I wouldn't want to know this is their "final" release ever, that would be heart breaking.

Yea i have a full 737 sim so i am even more disappointed about this graphic problem I wish Lm would communicate a bit more with its costumers so we could help to make thing go smoother . On The Mfs2020 the AA problem has been fixed in Sim update 6 . So it can be fixed in the software directly without wait years for microsoft or windows to fix it

@ ryanair007 ,

You mentioned:
"Yea i have a full 737 sim"

What is the full setup (PCs, hardware, software)?

I looked back through the this topic and Beau Hollis (LM Staff) did reply.

Can you do a video of what you are seeing with default P3D airport / aircraft?

Yes he did replay and it can be fixed ( to what he said but they need to make a work around ) Many users have this problem on 1080 p displays , less vissable on 4 k displays .
My specs are very good Running 5.2 is not the problem ( the problem is AA does not work like it should )

Windows 10
3 x 27 inch g-sync asus screens
Intel Core i9 11900F all cores running at 5.2 water cooled and getting over 200 fps if i dont limite the fps
64 gb ddr 4 2400 ghz
Rtx 3090
psu 1200 .

My simulator uses 6 other computers but its not relevant

My pc is not the problem many users have this problem and it came with a windows update , Mfs2020 has fixed this problem some days ago
Lets hop Lm will follow , For the pictures look at the other poste its exactly the same.

Regards

Marco

[Martyson]

Yea i have a full 737 sim so i am even more disappointed about this graphic problem I wish Lm would communicate a bit more with its costumers so we could help to make thing go smoother . On The Mfs2020 the AA problem has been fixed in Sim update 6 . So it can be fixed in the software directly without wait years for microsoft or windows to fix it

@ ryanair007 ,

You mentioned:
"Yea i have a full 737 sim"

What is the full setup (PCs, hardware, software)?

I looked back through the this topic and Beau Hollis (LM Staff) did reply.

Can you do a video of what you are seeing with default P3D airport / aircraft?

Yes he did replay and it can be fixed ( to what he said but they need to make a work around ) Many users have this problem on 1080 p displays , less vissable on 4 k displays .
My specs are very good Running 5.2 is not the problem ( the problem is AA does not work like it should )

Windows 10
3 x 27 inch g-sync asus screens
Intel Core i9 11900F all cores running at 5.2 water cooled and getting over 200 fps if i dont limite the fps
64 gb ddr 4 2400 ghz
Rtx 3090
psu 1200 .

My simulator uses 6 other computers but its not relevant

My pc is not the problem many users have this problem and it came with a windows update , Mfs2020 has fixed this problem some days ago
Lets hop Lm will follow , For the pictures look at the other poste its exactly the same.

Regards

Marco

@ ryanair007
Marco


Beau Hollis (LM Staff) said:
“I just tested on a box with Win10 v1909 and latest graphics drivers and don't see the issue”.

He suggested some workaround(s) for others that had an issue.

I asked you for a video showing your problem of what you are seeing with default P3D airport / aircraft.
Possibly you could show your P3D Options / settings during the same video.

Your video may provide additional information for LM staff.

Everyone having the problem could also do a short video and include their P3D information (Options/settings) in the video.

"For the pictures look at the other poste its exactly the same."
A previous post in this topic mentioned screenshots do not always show the problem well enough.
So a video would be better.

You also mentioned:
“My simulator uses 6 other computers but its not relevant”

Sounds like you have a very custom setup.
Everything is relevant when you have a problem to report.

[ryanair007]

6 computer are to run the insrument , screens for the insruments yokes ect ect , I am not sitting infront of a desk with 1 screen and a joystick these computer run Prosim 737 ( pro simbuilding software ) nothing to do with the LM



The soloution that LM says to try does not work and not just for me for everyone , Just looks at different forums for mfs xplane ect ect
Its a problem that microsoft has introduced with an update . but it can be fixed from a developer side like Abso did mfs2020 update 6


This is the only pc that runs P3D
3 x 27 inch g-sync asus screens
Intel Core i9 11900F all cores running at 5.2 water cooled and getting over 200 fps if i dont limite the fps
64 gb ddr 4 2400 ghz
Rtx 3090
psu 1200 .

I am in to flight simulation since Microsoft flight simulator 5.0- 1993
Its not a hardware problem but a software problem.

Regards

Marco

[Martyson]

6 computer are to run the insrument , screens for the insruments yokes ect ect , I am not sitting infront of a desk with 1 screen and a joystick these computer run Prosim 737 ( pro simbuilding software ) nothing to do with the LM



The soloution that LM says to try does not work and not just for me for everyone , Just looks at different forums for mfs xplane ect ect
Its a problem that microsoft has introduced with an update . but it can be fixed from a developer side like Abso did mfs2020 update 6


This is the only pc that runs P3D
3 x 27 inch g-sync asus screens
Intel Core i9 11900F all cores running at 5.2 water cooled and getting over 200 fps if i dont limite the fps
64 gb ddr 4 2400 ghz
Rtx 3090
psu 1200 .

I am in to flight simulation since Microsoft flight simulator 5.0- 1993
Its not a hardware problem but a software problem.

Regards

Marco

@ ryanair007
Marco

In an earlier post you mentioned:
“Yea i have a full 737 sim so i am even more disappointed about this graphic problem I wish Lm would communicate a bit more with its costumers so we could help to make thing go smoother .

LM Staff watches all the posts in this forum.

You could communicate more to LM Staff with additional information on your problem.
If you do a video of your problem (including your P3D Options / settings in the same video) then LM Staff could review it.

Note:
I have been in flight sim since Sublogic (Atari computer).
It has been and still is a great journey.


My one PC / setup for P3Dv4.5HF3 [4.5.14.34698] and P3Dv5.2HF1 [5.2.22.27615] is not as advanced as yours but maybe later I could do a test.

No Overclocking
Windows 11 Home
21H2
build 22000.282
Windows Feature Experience Pack 1000.22000.282.0

i9 9900K
Corsair H100i Pro RGB cooler
Gygabyte Z390
24x DVD RW
1000W PS
2 each 1TB NVME drives
32GB DDR4 memory
Realtek Audio
GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11GB
Viewsonic 24 inch display VA2446mh-LED
Viewsonic 22 inch display VX2250wm-LED
SAITEK Proflight Yoke and Throttles (3 Axis) module
SAITEK Proflight Throttles (3 Axis) second module
Thrustmaster Hotas Warthog Joystick and Throttles
Thrustmaster TCA Throttle Quadrant and Sidestick
One 7 port USB Powered Hub
CH rudder Pedals

Nvidia 496.13

Orbx global, a few Orbx regions / and a few payware airports (Orbx and others USA / North America/Europe).
Active Sky , PMDG737, 747, 777 , FSLabs A320X, and other payware aircraft.
P3Dv4, P3dv5, Xplane 11 and MSFS [2020].
FSUIPC6, Version 6.1.5 for P3Dv4 and P3dv5.
FFSUIPC7, Version 7.2.11 for MSFS [2020].
Chaseplane
Little Navmap
Navigraph charts services

[ryanair007]

6 computer are to run the insrument , screens for the insruments yokes ect ect , I am not sitting infront of a desk with 1 screen and a joystick these computer run Prosim 737 ( pro simbuilding software ) nothing to do with the LM



The soloution that LM says to try does not work and not just for me for everyone , Just looks at different forums for mfs xplane ect ect
Its a problem that microsoft has introduced with an update . but it can be fixed from a developer side like Abso did mfs2020 update 6


This is the only pc that runs P3D
3 x 27 inch g-sync asus screens
Intel Core i9 11900F all cores running at 5.2 water cooled and getting over 200 fps if i dont limite the fps
64 gb ddr 4 2400 ghz
Rtx 3090
psu 1200 .

I am in to flight simulation since Microsoft flight simulator 5.0- 1993
Its not a hardware problem but a software problem.

Regards

Marco

@ ryanair007
Marco

In an earlier post you mentioned:
“Yea i have a full 737 sim so i am even more disappointed about this graphic problem I wish Lm would communicate a bit more with its costumers so we could help to make thing go smoother .

LM Staff watches all the posts in this forum.

You could communicate more to LM Staff with additional information on your problem.
If you do a video of your problem (including your P3D Options / settings in the same video) then LM Staff could review it.

Note:
I have been in flight sim since Sublogic (Atari computer).
It has been and still is a great journey.


My one PC / setup for P3Dv4.5HF3 [4.5.14.34698] and P3Dv5.2HF1 [5.2.22.27615] is not as advanced as yours but maybe later I could do a test.

No Overclocking
Windows 11 Home
21H2
build 22000.282
Windows Feature Experience Pack 1000.22000.282.0

i9 9900K
Corsair H100i Pro RGB cooler
Gygabyte Z390
24x DVD RW
1000W PS
2 each 1TB NVME drives
32GB DDR4 memory
Realtek Audio
GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11GB
Viewsonic 24 inch display VA2446mh-LED
Viewsonic 22 inch display VX2250wm-LED
SAITEK Proflight Yoke and Throttles (3 Axis) module
SAITEK Proflight Throttles (3 Axis) second module
Thrustmaster Hotas Warthog Joystick and Throttles
Thrustmaster TCA Throttle Quadrant and Sidestick
One 7 port USB Powered Hub
CH rudder Pedals

Nvidia 496.13

Orbx global, a few Orbx regions / and a few payware airports (Orbx and others USA / North America/Europe).
Active Sky , PMDG737, 747, 777 , FSLabs A320X, and other payware aircraft.
P3Dv4, P3dv5, Xplane 11 and MSFS [2020].
FSUIPC6, Version 6.1.5 for P3Dv4 and P3dv5.
FFSUIPC7, Version 7.2.11 for MSFS [2020].
Chaseplane
Little Navmap
Navigraph charts services

They know what the problem is , The big question is when it will be fixed this problem is since p3d 5.0 direct x12.Everything was working perfectly before .
anyway i sent a message to beau lets see if i get some feedback .
Regards

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/win ... 7965b979b6
https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/an ... e/426836/4
https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/bu ... ays/433004

Now Abso fixed the problem lucky MFS 2020 users .

Marco

[ryanair007]

+1

[PilotRaider14]

Since it seems PC Gaming is going away from the use of MSAA these days.
It would be great if we could get an update to the way P3D handles AA.

Either one of these options would work:

1. Finding a work around for the MSAA option to work properly again. (IMO my preferred option)
2. Removing MSAA completely as an option and giving us a new AA option such as TAA.
3. Fixing the way SSAA renders which is still jagged.

Here's an example of what we are seeing (top) vs how it should be (bottom). It is clearly evident what is going on. No need for an eye glasses prescription.

[lkalam]

While not saying the top image is what I consider best, I have to admit the bottom one looks way too blurry for my taste.

[PilotRaider14]

That's because it's zoomed in to capture the cropped shot from a video. But that is in fact how anti aliasing should look and I can promise you it looks normal in-game on its regular resolution. The top image exhibits an ant-like flowing pattern around its edges which is unpleasant. But yeah, the bottom image is not blurry, it's zoomed in to show the AA.

[ryanair007]

This problem has not been fixed in p3d 5.3 what a shame why LM has this problem not been fixed ? .
Its a shame p3d 5.3 is great leep foward congratulations for you work .

[PilotRaider14]

Still not fixed LM... this looks worse than 5.2!

Please fix it!

[Alox]

Still not fixed LM... this looks worse than 5.2!

Please fix it!

It's correct looks worse with EA than 5.2 at 1080p

Look the video in fullscreen the border of the trees, control tower and cabin glass.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/m9beppmkx7t1o ... A.mp4?dl=0

Windows 10 Pro
I7 10700K 5.1 GHZ
32GB DDR4
RTX 2080 Super Driver Version: 472.12
SSD WD BLUE 1 TB
1080p

[Timma]

Damn still not fix! Other sim platforms have all fixed it. How long must we wait for a simple fix☹️