sad and disappointed by the p3dv4,2

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sad and disappointed by the p3dv4,2

Postby JuanBari » Sun Jun 17, 2018 8:50 pm

Good morning, late nights all
I come to discuss my problem that I have been doing for a long time with p3d in version 4.
about 6 months ago I acquired the p3dv4 because it came from a long time in other simulators, with the hope of having a simulator that works well, because my pc is armed based on the specifications given on the page. once I installed the simulator the problems began, bad performance at all times, all this having several addons installed from the envedir, orbx, asn, asca etc.
analyzing a bit the first thing that comes to mind is to reduce the graphics to the lowest maintaining an acceptable quality, but there is no case, the simulator continues to work in the same way.
Summing up a bit, I feel angry and sad, because in addition to using it as a hobby I also use it to practice because I am doing a private pilot career in Argentina, and due to the bad situation we have today with the price of the dollar, is the best alternative to practice,
today I decided to completely desist the simulator and wait for the new update to come out, with the hope that with the work in the new version I can achieve the performance I want
(attached list of my pc components in full)

Gigabyte GTX 1070 8GB G1 GAMING
2xCrucial DDR4 8GB 2400Mhz Ballistix Sport LT RED
SSD WD 240GB Green series Sata 3 2.5
Procesador Intel i7 7700 3.6 GHZ LGA 1151 Kaby Lake
CPU COOLER COOLERMASTER HYPER 212 EVO
Mother Gigabyte GA-Z270 Gaming K3 1.0 LGA 1151
Cooler Master 700w B700 v2 80 plus White
Disc 2tb wb blue
Ssd 120gb (only for p3d)
Screen lg 25UM58 ultra wide (75hz)
Screen lg W1943SE (for internet,charts, etc.)

regards

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Re: sad and disappointed by the p3dv4,2

Postby JuanBari » Sun Jun 17, 2018 10:23 pm

I do not have bought the v3, I'll have to wait for the 4.3 release, I hope the developers see this message

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Re: sad and disappointed by the p3dv4,2

Postby bluestar » Mon Jun 18, 2018 1:06 am

Juan,

I have a similar setup as yours. In over 500 hours flying PMDG stuff, it has been flawless except for a couple of self induced problems.

My operating system is Win10-64. I did not see which operating system you are using.

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Re: sad and disappointed by the p3dv4,2

Postby WarpD » Mon Jun 18, 2018 2:02 am

With no addons, only the base v4.2 how does it perform?

I will also state that no one, and I mean no one can help you because you actually haven't provided any description of what the problem(s) is/are.
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Re: sad and disappointed by the p3dv4,2

Postby nealmac » Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:44 am

It's obviously a problem with your system. I'm running 4.2 on a laptop. It has 16GB of RAM. It only has a 2.8GHz processor (no overclocking) which tends to overheat and slows down, and an old nVidia Quadro series video card. Safe to say I'm below the minimum specs. I can normally maintain 20 FPS at most payware airports, in the PMDG NGX, and when scenery is less severe I can get a lot more. Ok, my sliders are very much on the left hand side, but I think I'm getting a lot more out of my system than I should be expecting.

My point is, it's unfair to put the blame on LM, when you clearly don't know what's causing the problem.
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Re: sad and disappointed by the p3dv4,2

Postby Senchay » Mon Jun 18, 2018 3:05 pm

Well, this is pretty much impossible.

I have pretty much the same system specs as you have.

Im running a 7700k on standard core freq even with Turbo deactivated.
On a nvidia 1070 MSI Aero ITX OC, running also on core freq
I have 16 GB Ballistrix sports ram
Running on an asus prime z270k
Win 10

Basically there are not much times when the sim goes below 30 fpsIf i have below that then its an airport like KSFO, in a regional orbx area with 200 utlive planes loaded in a overcast situation. And still then its around 28-30 fps. And this is with settings near to the right side for many of the settings. Terrain is around 80% maxed, Autogen around 60%, shadows low but maxed range, shadows activated everywhere, Rex skyforce on 2k hd textures on maxed settings, activesky, UTlive on 100% airline and 20% GA setting, most orbx regional areas, around 100 airports installed, visuals tweaked by pta and reshade with postprocessing, sitting in a plane like pmdg 747 the fps are usually around 30-40 in the vc and 50-70 fps outsideview.

There are dozens of things i could reduce everywhere, in every single app i added, be it activesky, rex, utlive, orbx airport configs, orbx terrain configs and whatnot if i ever come to a point where it gets slower.

So im really really not sure what you mean with "sad and disappointed".

That beieng said, you didnt tell us about what problem you are talking. In games/sims and specially Prepar3D are 2 different kinds of "low performance". Is it really your fps that are low (if yes, how low?) or doy ou feel that you have overall stuttering even the fps show over 30?'

The last thing is related to refresh rate and this seems to a be a real thing in P3D. You have to make sure you sync your monitor to the exact same freq as your running the game in. And this is probably the biggest part to make a fluid sim. At least if you have a Monitor with fixed refresh rate.

A good post about this problem ive seen a while ago here

https://forums.flightsimlabs.com/index. ... ame-rates/

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Re: sad and disappointed by the p3dv4,2

Postby JuanBari » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:15 pm

Apparently I'm the only one with problems, to get me a doubt, I could pass photos of their settings, and if they know of any configuration of the PC that may affect the simulator,
I currently have win10 64 bts

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Re: sad and disappointed by the p3dv4,2

Postby WarpD » Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:01 am

You also need to actually explain what the problem is.
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Re: sad and disappointed by the p3dv4,2

Postby JuanBari » Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:54 am

The problem is that I have acceptable fps with the simulator completely empty, but when a single point upload any type of configuration the fps go down to 25, without putting any aircraft, with the f22 by default,not to mention when I want to use pmdg, fairing etc, has moments that touch 40 fps, but the vast majority of times low of 25 fps, without any addons, with addons is another story is impossible to fly

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Re: sad and disappointed by the p3dv4,2

Postby WarpD » Tue Jun 19, 2018 11:49 am

Ah... it's about frame rate.

The sim is capable of decent frame rates, but not 75fps (to match your monitor). Where a great deal of displays are coming out with 30hz refresh rates, your LG appears to go the opposite direction... by a lot. Even 60hz is far, far more common than 75hz for a refresh rate.

For the sheer range, scope and complexity of this simulation's rendered world, 75fps is probably not going to happen. Even a target of 60fps is going to be difficult with higher settings. I have a 4k display and a 1070 graphics card and I see 60fps sitting in the F22 at KSEA with the default graphics settings.

If you are not seeing the same or better FPS with the same aircraft, at the same airport with the default settings (it's a selected in the Graphics options)... then there is something wrong with your system and it may be shader configurations. If you are, then it's time to determine what your system can and can not handle by adjusting each graphic setting up until things go down.
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Re: sad and disappointed by the p3dv4,2

Postby downscc » Tue Jun 19, 2018 3:24 pm

What Ed said.... also, ignore frame rate. The important metric is that the animation is fluid and that can be achieved with amazingly low frame rates. Frame rates might matter in a shooter game but there are many other more important factors in flight simulation. Same with monitor, the 75 Hz display in my humble opinion is a marketing gimmick aimed at gamers where in fact I prefer my configuration that is a 4K display with a refresh rate of 30 Hz. Note that refresh rate and frame rate are not the same thing... don't even have the same units.
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Re: sad and disappointed by the p3dv4,2

Postby elmucki » Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:47 pm

Its quite simple, run P3D Vanilla, meaning no add ons. How does it perform? 9/10 times its user error.

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Re: sad and disappointed by the p3dv4,2

Postby JuanBari » Sat Jun 23, 2018 8:07 pm

after a while flying with p3dv4.2 it closes me alone without any warning, and the app crash throws this message
I hope someone knows why it is

Version=1
EventType=APPCRASH
EventTime=131742562105225062
ReportType=2
Consent=1
UploadTime=131742562115518230
ReportStatus=268435456
ReportIdentifier=826a14f3-9e13-453e-a532-f032cf3af23d
IntegratorReportIdentifier=1f8735fb-7b7f-44ba-b57c-bba9f502c41a
Wow64Host=34404
NsAppName=Prepar3D.exe
OriginalFilename=Prepar3D.exe
AppSessionGuid=00001cb4-0002-0014-0d1a-8444250bd401
TargetAppId=W:0000856d232179f9af670f08ff57f31abd2200000904!00006b20a7f3856867a6f902afff7ebff121b5b9b067!Prepar3D.exe
TargetAppVer=2018//02//08:17:04:44!2cfb45!Prepar3D.exe
BootId=4294967295
TargetAsId=1260
UserImpactVector=319828784
IsFatal=1
Response.BucketId=76d92730e067df57345c3544cb86b181
Response.BucketTable=4
Response.LegacyBucketId=1467106148204589441
Response.type=4
Sig[0].Name=Nombre de la aplicación
Sig[0].Value=Prepar3D.exe
Sig[1].Name=Versión de la aplicación
Sig[1].Value=4.2.21.24048
Sig[2].Name=Marca de tiempo de la aplicación
Sig[2].Value=5a7c832c
Sig[3].Name=Nombre del módulo con errores
Sig[3].Value=MV_WX.dll
Sig[4].Name=Versión del módulo con errores
Sig[4].Value=1.40.0.40
Sig[5].Name=Marca de tiempo del módulo con errores
Sig[5].Value=5ab39339
Sig[6].Name=Código de excepción
Sig[6].Value=c0000005
Sig[7].Name=Desplazamiento de excepción
Sig[7].Value=0000000000003106

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Re: sad and disappointed by the p3dv4,2

Postby jabloomf1230 » Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:29 pm

after a while flying with p3dv4.2 it closes me alone without any warning, and the app crash throws this message
I hope someone knows why it is
...
Sig[3].Name=Nombre del módulo con errores
Sig[3].Value=MV_WX.dll
Sig[4].Name=Versión del módulo con errores
Sig[4].Value=1.40.0.40
Sig[5].Name=Marca de tiempo del módulo con errores
Sig[5].Value=5ab39339
Sig[6].Name=Código de excepción
Sig[6].Value=c0000005
Sig[7].Name=Desplazamiento de excepción
Sig[7].Value=0000000000003106
MV_WX.dll is the REX-Milviz weather radar gauge. That version (1.40.0.40) is the most recent version of the gauge. You may have a conflict between that gauge and some other add-on. Make sure that all your add-ons are up to date. You should go to the radar gauge subforum on the REX official support forum:

https://www.realenvironmentxtreme.com/f ... age-radar/

and create a thread about your problem. They will direct you as to how to create a crash log that REX support staff can use to understand your problem.


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