P3D v4.3 Smooth fps on ground but bad fps in air/cruise

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P3D v4.3 Smooth fps on ground but bad fps in air/cruise

Postby FlyHardiQ » Tue Sep 18, 2018 3:25 am

Alright so i've been facing this issue with my high end system, and not too high settings, cfg attached,
where on ground my fps is quite smooth and almost no stutters, but in the air when panning around even in cruise the fps is just so bad, I do use activesky 16 + asca but the problem is even when flying without these addons, also I use Orbx vector, global, openlc EU with optimum settings, i've seen other people with same specs get good performance

My specs are i7-7700k @4.4ghz OC, gtx1080 8gb, 16gb ram, 500gb ssd only for my sim, and yes I have tried p3d re install, my fps was quite better with p3d v4.2, but i dont know what has happened since p3d v4.3..

Test aircrafts fslabs a320/19, pmdg 777, 747, 737

cfg file - https://www.sendspace.com/file/t23dkh

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Re: P3D v4.3 Smooth fps on ground but bad fps in air/cruise

Postby downscc » Tue Sep 18, 2018 3:29 pm

You didn't mention if you are using frame rate lock... if not, try it. See also numerous topics in AVSIM P3D forum on the battle agains low frame rate... also, I need to mention that "fps is just so bad" is not describing the problem... what are your average lows? Using numbers helps others understand what you are describing.
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Re: P3D v4.3 Smooth fps on ground but bad fps in air/cruise

Postby FlyHardiQ » Sat Oct 27, 2018 5:49 am

Sorry, I was away from this topic for a while, am posting my p3d cfg settings below, and no am not locks my frames, it's set to unlimited with v sync off. My 7700k is overclocked to 4.4Ghz with Liquid Cooling. GPU drivers etc are all up to date. was not having this issues with p3d v4.2 or before..this started with p3d v4.3

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Re: P3D v4.3 Smooth fps on ground but bad fps in air/cruise

Postby FlyHardiQ » Sat Oct 27, 2018 5:51 am

Average lows go to 24fps and while panning around it is quite stuttery, non smooth experience..I'm not looking at the fps, all I need is a smooth sim

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Stable fps on ground but bad fps in cruise great system

Postby FlyHardiQ » Sat Nov 17, 2018 3:32 pm

Stable fps on ground but bad fps in cruise great system..have tried all tweaks, limiting my frames as well but no luck..this was not an issue in p3d v4.2, it has just happened with v4.3 (CCloudy or non cloudy same issue)

GTX1080, 7700K @4.4GHZ, 16GB RAM, DEDICATED 500GB SSD FOR P3D, ENVTEX, ASCA + ASP4, PTA

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Re: P3D v4.3 Smooth fps on ground but bad fps in air/cruise

Postby Poppet » Sun Nov 18, 2018 10:39 pm

Hello FlyHardiQ

I have merged your 2 topics into one.

Have a look at the topic below and try the steps one by one

Let us know how you get on

viewtopic.php?f=6315&t=131524#p188968

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Re: P3D v4.3 Smooth fps on ground but bad fps in air/cruise

Postby FlyHardiQ » Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:48 am

Nothing at all is utilizing my PC memory, I first did a full PC reset and initially installed P3D v4.3 only with a few addons. My GPU memory is all fine way under the limits its a GTX1080 8GB which is more than enough, and nore 16GB ram running at about 2400mhz I also tried deleting and rebuild those 3 folders but still performance is really bad, Idk what have you guys broken in p3d v4.3 or what Nvidia has done with their drivers that I'm getting really bad fps with very medium settings

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Re: P3D v4.3 Smooth fps on ground but bad fps in air/cruise

Postby FlyHardiQ » Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:49 am

All other games run without any issue at all on high settings Xplane 11 as well with nothing such idk what it is with p3d v4.3

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Re: P3D v4.3 Smooth fps on ground but bad fps in air/cruise

Postby Martyson » Mon Nov 19, 2018 12:25 pm

"Nothing at all is utilizing my PC memory, I first did a full PC reset and initially installed P3D v4.3 only with a few addons. "



Did you test when P3D was first installed (default)?

Maybe give the debug steps a try:

http://www.prepar3d.com/forum/viewtopic ... 2&t=123246
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Re: P3D v4.3 Smooth fps on ground but bad fps in air/cruise

Postby FlyHardiQ » Tue Nov 20, 2018 4:52 pm

yep i've already tried the deugging steps but no luck and yes p3d with default settings does solve the fps issues but I dont wanna fly 1024 with such a good system, it is something with p3d for sure since everything is fresh installed and all other games and sims work flawlessly

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Re: P3D v4.3 Smooth fps on ground but bad fps in air/cruise

Postby Martyson » Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:03 pm

yep i've already tried the deugging steps but no luck and yes p3d with default settings does solve the fps issues but I dont wanna fly 1024 with such a good system, it is something with p3d for sure since everything is fresh installed and all other games and sims work flawlessly
Glad to hear the default P3D is ok.

The debugging steps should have told you which add-on(s) are causing your problem.
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Re: P3D v4.3 Smooth fps on ground but bad fps in air/cruise

Postby FlyHardiQ » Sat Jan 26, 2019 4:33 am

alright so after another fresh install of p3d am still getting the same issues..and nope the addons are not causing any problems..it is something to do with p3d after p3d v4.2, the performance upto p3d v4.2 was absolutely flawless..makes me want to stop flying in p3d since the fps just does not make any sense to me..have tried legit all debugging steps..

In default p3d as well I was facing slight stutters and inadequate fps.. 50-60 in cockpit of the default f16

gtx 1080
i7 7700k @4.7ghz
16gb ram hyperx fury

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Re: P3D v4.3 Smooth fps on ground but bad fps in air/cruise

Postby Martyson » Sat Jan 26, 2019 7:02 am

alright so after another fresh install of p3d am still getting the same issues..and nope the addons are not causing any problems..it is something to do with p3d after p3d v4.2, the performance upto p3d v4.2 was absolutely flawless..makes me want to stop flying in p3d since the fps just does not make any sense to me..have tried legit all debugging steps..

In default p3d as well I was facing slight stutters and inadequate fps.. 50-60 in cockpit of the default f16

gtx 1080
i7 7700k @4.7ghz
16gb ram hyperx fury
On your fresh install.
Did you download your product again from your LM account with virus checker off?
Was the checksum correct?
Did you install with the virus checker off?
Is your current testing with P3D in a default state without any add-ons installed?

Was your fresh install now P3Dv4.4?

Your original topic ""P3D v4.3 Smooth fps on ground but bad fps in air/cruise"
I do not recall seeing this problem previously reported?
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Re: P3D v4.3 Smooth fps on ground but bad fps in air/cruise

Postby FlyHardiQ » Sun Jan 27, 2019 7:58 am

What do you mean by virus checker? like windows defender? and the problem is still persisting in p3d v4.4 even after a clean install of windows and all the drivers and freshly downloaded from LM website and yes the tests in vanilla p3d were giving me around 100 fps but varying alot and slight stutters while looking at autogen..which is not expected..and as soon as some addons get installed like the fslabs a320 active sky the fps goes down the drain and stutters increase while panning and in flight..and in the air the fps gets even worse..all of my hardware is fine and checked..other games work flawlessly..even xplane 11

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Re: P3D v4.3 Smooth fps on ground but bad fps in air/cruise

Postby FlyHardiQ » Sun Jan 27, 2019 7:59 am

I have also re insatlled drivers via DDU as mentioned and deleted generated files but still no luck..


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